ApolloRVsales now offers the Adria Campervan, which is a European import. The 2018 model comes with 150 hp, which is definitely needed for its purpose and it has a great layout. It is more affordable then its Aussie competitors, but it only comes with a European 2 year Fiat Warranty and 100k km's ! We almost bought the van, but the short warranty put us off as Ducatos have or have had problems with water in the engine bay.
Ducato Campervans have a strong presence in Australia, but only in the Owner segment. Rental companies seem to shy away from Ducatos and I wonder if that is simply because they cant be serviced on the West Coast and North Coast of Australia. Hence between Perth and Cairns expect to be on your own. Apollo is as far as I know the only Rental company that has imported a Ducato based motor home, the Euro slider to add to its fleet.
The Fiat Ducato has become quite popular in the UK - top fleet van reported here. And here in Australia Jayco, the largest Camper manufacturer has just added the Ducato Campervan to its line up. It has been shown in Melbourne at the Super Show in February for $199k drive away. For lack of online info in AU, here are is a link to the FD19-1 from NZ . Factory in Dandenong. 2018 vehicles with 180 hp, solar and rear view camera. Fiat has a 48k service interval - disc
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21 FEB 2018
I have just signed a contract with Apollo at the Melbourne show for the Adria Twin 600 Ducato Multijet150 with 150hp in Euro6 technology ! Then I hopped on the internet I got spooked reading the Ducato forum posts. I'm very glad I didn't buy a 2013/14 model which was dubbed "Motorhome from hell" by its owner.
Motorhomefromhell.com 2013/2014 model
A website has been written in the UK and I'm left in confusion whether or not the main problem has been fixed in the latest model 2014/2015. One commentator on youtube says no, not properly at least. Fiat dealer in Melbourne (Knox) says yes. Apparently the "water feature" is the core problem with rain water cascading into the engine bay and upsetting the electrical systems. Fiat patch up fixes introduced during the 8 year life cycle of the affected model where deemed inadequate by many forum members.
"We were tired of trying to argue our case and prove the faults to the dealer. The faults highlighted in the report are significant. The biggest being the water ingress into the engine. This is the main area of our dispute and so far it is being ignored by Fiat, Burstner and Camper UK. The fault has been evident on these vehicles for years and still these companies are selling them. They are knowingly selling faulty goods and goods not fit for purpose."
(1) The X2/90 does seem to be much improved in this respect with 3 large drains, no centre joint and plastic covers now over most under-bonnet items, including the auxiliary belt and pulleys and the alternator, all of which were bare in X2/50 guise. I'm not getting any water under the bonnet when parked up but there is still no seal between bonnet leading edge and the headlamp units with the result that the fusebox and ECU still get wet when driving in the rain.
(2) I own a PVC on a Fiat Ducato and have suffered issues with water ingress past the scuttle, which had buckled. The scuttle was replaced under warranty but it still leaked at one location where the adhesive pad had not stuck to the windscreen. I had intended taking it back to Fiat but have not bothered as I reckon it is a waste of time as the basic design is crap and the problem will always come back. I reckon you would be better just applying some tape over the joint between the scuttle and the windscreen and lots of people on here have done the same successfully. More water actually gets in between the join between the bonnet and the lights but this was easily fixed by applying some self adhesive rubber seals from B & Q for doors and windows in your house in the gap. This was originally a temporary fix some months ago but it has worked so well I have left them in place. I was washing the van last weekend using a jet wash and when I looked under the bonnet there was hardly any water under there. I am guessing that this is due to the colder weather which means that the scuttle is not being heated up by the sun and pulling away from the windscreen. The main components under the bonnet are protected by plastic covers so I am not sure how much of a problem a little bit of water is. It is all a bit annoying and slightly worrying but I think I just have to live with it and keep and eye on it.
(3) We had a 2013 X250 Fiat and the small drainage holes constantly blocked up so kept a length of copper wire in the cab to keep them clear as and when. Apart from this we had very little water penetration into the engine bay.
We now have a 2015 X290 Fiat and the large drainage holes in the scuttle panel are certainly good. We drove down through France at the end of August in atrocious weather, so much rain we could barely see to drive at times but the water cleared away no problem and no ingress into the engine compartment.
FUEL ISSUES (ANY DIESEL PURCHASE)
Another reason for only buying a 2015 model (came out late 2014) are the new Euro6 diesel emission standards. These vehicles are cleaner and hence less likely to be banned from inner cities in future. One article on a 4WD website has already predicted the death of Diesel as eventually Diesel RV's are expected to give way to hybrids ! On 28 Feb 2018 German courts have ruled dirty older standard Diesel vehicles can now be legally banned from inner cities. The Ducato nowadays has new 2.3L Euro6 technology. Here in Australia the Ducato would require a better fuel than current standards to function properly and last longer. See 3013 whirlpool discussion here.
The fourth generation Ducato facelift was introduced mid 2014. Although based on the third generation model, it features a heavily revised front end, with more car like headlights styling. Euro 6 engines were introduced for the 2017 model year in late 2016, and does not require Adblue .
FIAT DUCATO RECALLS
This is a worry. Multiple recalls have issued in the last 12 months - status 1 March 2018 !
Fiat Ducato recalled for intercooler fix - CarAdvicewww.caradvice.com.au › Car News › Fiat › Fiat Ducato
Feb 9, 2018 - Fiat has recalled the 2.3-litre diesel Ducato van over concerns the intercooler sleeve could come loose from the throttle body.The manufacturer says if the condition occurs, the engine warning light ...
You visited this page on 27/02/18.2016-17 Fiat Ducato recalled for exhaust fix - CarAdvicewww.caradvice.com.au › Car News › Fiat › Fiat Ducato
Oct 18, 2017 - The 2016-17 Fiat Ducato van has been recalled this week over concerns the exhaust recirculation system could break and cause a loss of drivability. According to the manufacturer, affected vehicles may be fitted with an Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) pipe that breaks due to ...2017 Fiat Ducato recalled for camshaft fix - CarAdvicewww.caradvice.com.au › Car News › Fiat › Fiat Ducato
Mar 10, 2017 - Fiat has issued a recall for 56 of its 2016 and 2017 Ducato vans fitted with the 2.3-litre ‘Multijet’ engine over concerns the camshaft could crack. The Italian company reports the camshaft could crack while the vehicle is in use due to a manufacturing fault.
Fiat Ducato Motorhome owners - Would you buy a Ducato again ?
Are you a happy camper with your Ducato Camper ? Has Fiat satisfactorily FIXED an 8 year old water draining problem where the engine bay takes in water that can wreck vital components.
If you own a Ducato Campervan or Ducato Motorhome would you buy one again ?
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2082015 Whirlpool on Aussie Diesel
http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Fiat-Ducato150-Windscreen-Scuttle-Trim-Panel-Leaks-Into-Engine-Bay/39970/ WATER ISSUE FIXED OR NOT ?
http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Fiat-Ducato150-Windscreen-Scuttle-Trim-Panel-Leaks-Into-Engine-Bay/39970/ LATEST MODEL 150hp
http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Water-ingress-fiat-ducato-2000/46917/ OLD PROBLEM YEAR 2000 MODELS
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Selecting the right Campervan for Travelling Australia
Price, seating, sleeping, off road access and cooling are probably core factors in selecting the right vehicle for your travel dreams. Consider if you you want to drive on gravel roads or camp off road ?
Free 24 hour camping is available at highway rest stops. Longer camping in state forests but must check for gravel roads and read contract.
During the Australian Summer I would definitely want to good ventilation or carry a 240V fan ($20.-) if the rental van has no fan or air/com. Better vehicles have an energy efficient 12V fan or an air conditioner.
To get started have a look at Brix's vehicle spec sheet
and for more details gto http://www.discovery-campervans.com.au/whichcampervan.php
Budget A station wagon or van, an inflatable mattress, a cool box, a camping cooker, a few boxes and a tent
Options (low cost to high)
Fly screens / mosquito mesh - Keep sand flies (midges) away
Staying cool (natural ventilation / fan / air/con)
Enough Seats with seatbelts
Big enough Bedsize
Off road Travel permission if its not a 4WD
Buying a camper ?
Entry level new is about $70k .. 90k for a pop top campervan. A conversion of a second hand vehicle costs $30..40k. Slide on's cost ca $80k..90k. Roof top tents are the cheapest conversion ! Motorhomes start at ca $100k
The next Show starts 21 Feb 2018 at Melbourne Showgrounds (Flemington Racecourse). Exhibitor list has not been published yet. Meanwhile last years list may help. Click here. The Victorian Caravan Camping & Touring Supershow runs from 21-26 Feb 2018 https://caravanshow.com.au . If you miss this one then plan to attend the Melbourne Leisure Fest in October 2018 melbourneleisurefest.com.au
New Australian entries during 2017
Enter the Marc Marco Polo. This Merc (from Vito line) is the first factory fitted pop top roofed vehicle seats and sleeps four people, but its not a fully decked out campervan. Enter Vanessa.
The Marco Polo Activity by Mercedes-Benz brings factory-backed camping to the light-vehicle class to Australia. This Mercedes-Benz Campervan features for the first time a factory equipped elevating roof, the Marco Polo Activity delivers a comfortable 5-seater, 4-berth camping solution when equipped with the VanEssa mobilcamping rear kitchen and Deluxe Comfort Mattress vanessa-mobilcamping.com.au/marco-polo-activity.
For a vehicle review go here
> Mercedes Benz Campervan Marco Polo (Vito based - with pop up top)
> Adria Twin Motorhome by http://www.adria-mobil.com - 4 Seats - Sleeps 3
The Mercedes Benz Campervan Marco Polo competes with VW California, which is not (yet) available in Australia
> VW T6 California - Not available in Oz so far
Cargo Length 2375 mm 1585 mm
Cargo Width 1620 mm 1620 mm
Cargo Height 1340 mm 1340 mm
Distance between wheel arches 1272 mm1272 mm
Cargo Capacity (VDA) 4426 L2511 L
Length (mm) 5150
Width (mm) 1920
Wheelbase (mm) 3200
Wheel track - front/rear (mm) 1685 / 1660
Longitudinal front‐mounted driving rear wheels
Cylinder capacity )2.5 litres (2497cc)
Maximum power 125 kW @ 3600 RPM (Diesel Manual 100 kW)
Maximum torque 441 Nm @ 2000 ‐ 2250 RPM
more at http://www.hyundai.com.au/cars/people-movers-and-commercial/iload/specifications
compare with VW T6 at https://www.automobiledimension.com/models/volkswagen/t6-california-2015
Looking for the best budget Campervan conversion solution in Australia ?
Good used camper vans (say 7 years old) under $40k are hard if not impossible to find. Why not get a brand new primitive set up for that money or even something better for not much more ? Or why not buy a brand new frontline camper for $65k plus ? A decent professional conversion costs between $20k and $40k and a new vehicle costs $40k plus.
I was looking for a fuel economic diesel with a decent sized bed and a lift up tail gate. Why not deck one out yourself ? Buy the vehicle you like, ideally with a cargo space of 1.90 to 2.40 m. Use plastic tubs for your gear for starters. Choose between a blow up mattress or a bed frame. Use rails and boards for max flexibility. That way you can fold up your bed and put your camping chairs into the van and create a table for a rainy or windy day. Use a small cooker with gas cartridges or a spirit based cooker. Don't use big gas bottles, they need fixtures and certificates. Add an icebox or a refrigerator if needed. Add solar panels and an inverter if needed. Add an aircon if needed. Don't spend $ 8000 on a pop top roof. Buy a $1000 annex instead or fly screens for your doors. Cook in the annex and dress there as well. Carry a portaloo and use glazed Windows or curtains.
A great van to buy is the VW caddy maxi crew van. Here is why. Costs under $40000. Lots of room and foldable / removable back seats and comes with barn doors and weighs only about 1.5 tons. Fuel consumption Diesel ca 8l per 100km.
If you need a 4 wheel drive then the game changes. I would recommend another van, but that's a different story (wait for next blog).
Conversions / standard equipment.
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The Motorhome and Campervan Buyers Guide - by Walter, a blogger from Melbourne, Australia
The Motorhome and Campervan Owners Blog - by Walter, a blogger from Melbourne, Australia
Walter, Melbourne Australia
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